[THIS IS POLITICS, OKAY?] The Bulwark

Kinja'd!!! "Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo" (rustyvandura)
07/13/2020 at 17:22 • Filed to: None

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Jonathan V. Last, R eliable C onservative, Never Trumper. See No. 2.


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Kinja'd!!! Cash Rewards > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo
07/13/2020 at 17:30

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Fucking A, that's depressing. But in that it's happening, but that it took so long. I never understood how a single person from the by/NJ/CT tri-state area voted for him. We all knew he was fraud and a con man. Why would you vote for him, then act this way now? There's no new info in the last four years. This is what anyone who saw his dealings up close knew would happen


Kinja'd!!! Highlander-Datsuns are Forever > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo
07/13/2020 at 17:31

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It’s like a 300SL gulwing met a trabant.


Kinja'd!!! farscythe - makin da cawfee! > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo
07/13/2020 at 17:38

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wait...are we okay with oppo being dumped on fauci?

i mean...he actually seems like a capable professional and all that jazz...

but still....dude could have cooties


Kinja'd!!! fintail > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo
07/13/2020 at 17:38

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“low rent marketing scam”

Those four words describe this entire regime from November 2016 until today. Other more specific words can describe it too, but those are the m.o. behind this movement. Drain the swamp lol.

I understand why some voted for this 4 years ago, but it one repeats the decision, I openly question their motives and/or intelligence.

Poor Fauci being thrown to the fire by the most corrupt regime in history, and if I see dimbulb DeVos yapping one more time, I don’t know. I just hope Fauci being muckraked by these cons and crooks will later vindicate him when this mess is being judged by history.


Kinja'd!!! Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > Cash Rewards
07/13/2020 at 17:39

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I think many otherwise reasonable people really never considered that he could turn out to be so uniquely awful, and their stock portfolios were doing great as well. I mean, I don’t really have much to complain about someone voting for him, only those who ardently polished his turds for three years and continue to deny. Those are the people I have issues with.


Kinja'd!!! Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > Highlander-Datsuns are Forever
07/13/2020 at 17:40

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That is the Troll, conceived of in Norway in about 1958. Rear engine, two-stroke. I don’t know how many were manufactured, but continued manufacture got nixed because of manufacturing licenses or something.


Kinja'd!!! Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > farscythe - makin da cawfee!
07/13/2020 at 17:41

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I can’t speak for we , but I  certainly am not okay with it.


Kinja'd!!! Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > fintail
07/13/2020 at 17:43

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Did you see the picture of President Trump skulking off Marine One after his Tulsa debacle? I think that it was a man who’d lost and realized it that night. Now he’s marking time, getting in a few final grifts, and building up subscribership for Trump TV.


Kinja'd!!! Just Jeepin' > fintail
07/13/2020 at 17:45

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History can’t possibly be kind to this administration or its toadies. It’s inconceivable.


Kinja'd!!! farscythe - makin da cawfee! > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo
07/13/2020 at 17:45

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tbh...i was just intentionally misunderstanding...

dude actually seems to know what hes on about ....it kinda figures the powers that be are trying to discredit him..

welcome to post fact society

the truth is out there....maybe


Kinja'd!!! HammerheadFistpunch > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo
07/13/2020 at 17:46

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live from folsom prison .


Kinja'd!!! ZHP Sparky, the 5th > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo
07/13/2020 at 17:50

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Aww those poor supporters getting pissed off by the fundraising texts...wait until they see the Trump campaign’s surveys!

Also note - this thread of people complaining...they’re not complaining that they disapprove of Trump. They’re STILL fully on board the Trump train, yet are simply not liking the pressure and tone of the messages.

The Trump campaign is literally showing these people how lowly they view them , yet they are still too blind to realize it.


Kinja'd!!! Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > farscythe - makin da cawfee!
07/13/2020 at 17:51

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I realized that.


Kinja'd!!! Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > HammerheadFistpunch
07/13/2020 at 17:53

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I’ll be making a lot of popcorn the next four years.

My Job One would be to promote Alexander Vindman to brigadier in his retirement.


Kinja'd!!! Poor_Sh > Just Jeepin'
07/13/2020 at 17:58

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I mean, American history could be. But the rest of the developed world already has a pretty accurate read on the situation lol


Kinja'd!!! fintail > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo
07/13/2020 at 18:04

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Was that when he toddled down a ramp, not walking comfortably? Or something else - so many odd moments in this regime, they all run together.

Sadly, many will proudly contribute to the movement, and the glorified carnival barker and his family of rabid hyenas will retain wealth.

I suspect the White House will be gutted down to the studs when the next occupant moves in, as well.


Kinja'd!!! Maxima Speed > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo
07/13/2020 at 18:14

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Im still voting  for him. He’s gonna crush Biden just by proxy because Biden is such a terrible candidate.


Kinja'd!!! nermal > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo
07/13/2020 at 18:15

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Never seen that site before, it appears to be yet another cornucopia of anti-Trump wankery whose extremely biased opinion pieces should be taken as such.

They are partially correct about the texts and emails though. I was subscribed to them and had to un-sub due to how relentlessly obnoxious they were. I don’t need my phone going off literally 10 time s per day begging for donations.

My bigly valuable swing state vote still isn’t going to Biden. Not sure if I’ll buy anything else from the official store though - The Trump Coloring Book, I Heart Trump Straws, Trump Sharpie, and Trump Snowflake Wrapping Paper are quite tempting.


Kinja'd!!! DipodomysDeserti > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo
07/13/2020 at 18:29

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I thought we learned four years ago that people who write about politics have no clue?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/10/24/donald-trumps-chances-of-winning-are-approaching-zero/%3FoutputType%3Damp


Kinja'd!!! DipodomysDeserti > Just Jeepin'
07/13/2020 at 18:31

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Well, we’re still debating the validity of Robert E. Lee monuments...


Kinja'd!!! Milky > Maxima Speed
07/13/2020 at 18:40

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TBH “ Im still voting for him ” is just  sad to read.


Kinja'd!!! Danimalk - Drives a Slow Car Fast > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo
07/13/2020 at 18:43

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This is a weird case where I think he IS playing 4D chess.

He’s trying to get the poles as low as possible so that democrats feel like they don’ t need to stand in the inevitable long voting lines because they think it will be a landslide loss anyway.

His supporters WILL risk their health, and stand out in the heat for hours waiting to vote for their orange king , but democrats won’t if they already think he’s going to lose.

It could also explain why he wont do anything to help with the virus. If everyone is feeling like it’s getting safer out there, they will go vote. If numbers keep rising, there is a better chance people wont go out to the polls.


Kinja'd!!! Just Jeepin' > DipodomysDeserti
07/13/2020 at 18:56

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I’d take Lee for president over Trump in a heartbeat.


Kinja'd!!! DipodomysDeserti > Just Jeepin'
07/13/2020 at 19:23

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So would Trump.


Kinja'd!!! Kiltedpadre > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo
07/13/2020 at 19:53

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The biggest issue that I’ve directly seen is that there seems to be no interest in learning about or attempting to sway anyone that might be on the fence.

I clicked on a supposed survey from the Trump campaign and it was clearly written so hardcore trump supporters could laugh and share it on Facebook. The questions were some variation of “who would you trust to handle immigration, draining the swamp, protecting America from terrorists, etc.” Then your options are Trump or a no nothing Democrat , a corrupt Democrat, a lying Democrat, etc.

I can just picture some of my coworkers doing that survey and laughing at the great way they added a new insult to each option about the Libs.


Kinja'd!!! BigBlock440 > Milky
07/13/2020 at 20:25

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State of politics for at least the last decade or so.  Haven’t heard from any 3rd parties yet this season oddly.


Kinja'd!!! f86sabre > farscythe - makin da cawfee!
07/13/2020 at 20:35

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I think it was more than the acceptable dab of Oppo.

We live in ATL and have friends who work at Emory and the CDC. A couple are acquainted (not saying they are friends)  with Fauci and they say he is the real deal. Sharp and knows what he is talking about. 


Kinja'd!!! Milky > BigBlock440
07/13/2020 at 20:56

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I don’t know man, Trump isn’t even politics. I actually liked McCain and Romney just wasn’t relatable because he had a dancing horse.

No third party is weird though.  I guess no one wants to touch this moment.  


Kinja'd!!! Derpwagon > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo
07/13/2020 at 21:21

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The "guaranteed to lose" attitude cost democrats once. I wouldn't sit idly by and assume they have it. 


Kinja'd!!! Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > ZHP Sparky, the 5th
07/14/2020 at 00:30

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He has disdain for his followers; they are marks, suckers...


Kinja'd!!! Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > BigBlock440
07/14/2020 at 00:31

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True, that. 


Kinja'd!!! Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > DipodomysDeserti
07/14/2020 at 00:31

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Well, WaPo...


Kinja'd!!! Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > nermal
07/14/2020 at 00:38

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I think that if the source were NYT or WaPo that the wankery title would be well earned. But it ain't. I wouldn't blame anyone for voting Trump, but people who are still trying to polish his turds, well, I just have to wonder about them, especially when the Trump campaign treats them so wretchedly.


Kinja'd!!! Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > Danimalk - Drives a Slow Car Fast
07/14/2020 at 00:40

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Makes sense.


Kinja'd!!! Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > Kiltedpadre
07/14/2020 at 00:43

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Depressing.


Kinja'd!!! Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > Derpwagon
07/14/2020 at 00:46

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I wouldn't either. The Russians are probably managing somehow to skew the information to let ok like advantage Biden.


Kinja'd!!! DipodomysDeserti > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo
07/14/2020 at 00:50

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https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2015/07/09/politics/donald-trump-data-pivit-2016-election/index.html

https://www.americaninno.com/chicago/donald-trump-has-a-0-chance-of-winning-the-election-according-to-u-of-i-computer-scientists/

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/sam-wang-princeton-election-consortium-poll-hillary-clinton-donald-trump-victory-a7399671.html%3Famp

https://www.google.com/amp/s/mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN1322J1

I could keep posting predictions from 2016, but we were all alive then and know exactly what was predicted, and what actually happened.


Kinja'd!!! Derpwagon > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo
07/14/2020 at 13:15

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Foreign influence on social media and election tampering aside, I think Americans have plenty of opportunity to shoot themselves in the foot. Based on the last....long while, I’m assuming they’ll take every advantage of said opportunity. :/ 


Kinja'd!!! Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > Derpwagon
07/14/2020 at 14:07

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Foreign influence on social media... does that include the Canadians and Australians on Oppo?


Kinja'd!!! Derpwagon > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo
07/14/2020 at 16:01

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Definitely some sketchy characters involved there. :P


Kinja'd!!! nermal > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo
07/14/2020 at 18:36

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Looks like the people behind The Bul wark are the same people behind Republic Affairs, as well as Defending Democracy Together. They’re basically anti-Trump “conservatives”. They are pushing the “Republican Voters Against Trump” initiative as well.

Give them credit where due for not blindly following the party. However, based on their agenda they are even worse than all of the FAKE NEWS! sites from a bias perspective.

https://www.influencewatch.org/non-profit/defending-democracy-together-institute/

https://www.influencewatch.org/non-profit/defending-democracy-together/


Kinja'd!!! Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > nermal
07/14/2020 at 19:04

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I’ll take a look at that. But anyone who forms an opinion is going to have some sort of bias, won’t they? The question is whether they spend time recalibrating their bias, or just plugging into Fox News or MSNBC and shouting Amen . It’s not like these guys are extreme Liberals, either. If it were, say, a story on the Root, or The Intercept, or WaPo, bagging on President Trump, I wouldn’t pass it along.


Kinja'd!!! Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > nermal
07/15/2020 at 10:32

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Good morning. I am passing along to you this morning’s Bulwark newsletter. Number 1, I think, is germane to our conversation, at least as I see it, regarding perspective and bias.

https://mailchi.mp/thebulwark/elder-abuse-at-the-white-house?e=0753f8fbc7


Kinja'd!!! nermal > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo
07/15/2020 at 10:52

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Absolutely. I think all media outlets are biased based on opinions of the top of house (as well as what sells), and the resignation letter from Bari Weiss to the NYT shows exactly where they stand. 


Kinja'd!!! Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > nermal
07/15/2020 at 11:00

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But to the conversation you and I shared yesterday, I point out that this piece is posted by the Bulward . That being never-Trump is a plank in their platform doesn’t mean they don’t present a broad narrative and, I propose, one worth adding to a well-informed mix. Further, with regard to finding the current POTUS merely obnoxious on his very best days, the Bulwark people are hardly a bunch of lefties. More to the point, given their overall reporting, I would argue that criticisms of the president coming from these people in particular are much more likely to be sound than coming from someone at NYT. Good people on both sides are deranged by Donald Trump’s influence. And so are a bunch of crackpots across the spectrum.


Kinja'd!!! nermal > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo
07/15/2020 at 13:02

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The Bulwark people certainly aren’t traditional lefties - they’re anti-Trump righties in theory, which makes them appear a lot like lefties with regards to certain subjects. Look at some of the headlines from articles posted on their main page - “100 Reasons Trump is Unfit to be President”... “Trump’s Farewell Address”.... “Is the Republican Party a Lost Cause?”.... Any of those would fit in at any of the traditional mainstream lefty news sources.

My original point in bias for them is that since they are unabashedly anti-Trump, any Trump-related news from should be viewed with a grain of salt, in the same way it is from other left leaning organizations . They sit in a niche of political bias purgatory as a result.


Kinja'd!!! Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > nermal
07/15/2020 at 14:28

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My point is that if you have a guy who is unabashedly conservative being unabashedly anti-Trump, then could it be that Trump actually has issues or that maybe having him as president isn’t the greatest of ideas? It’s not like I’m throwing up a bunch of NYT or Intercept stories here.


Kinja'd!!! nermal > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo
07/16/2020 at 10:28

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You’re looking at the exception, not the rule.

For the one anti-Trump conservative, how many pro-Trump conservatives are there? For that matter, how many pro-Trump liberals?

For as politically divisive as Trump is, I don’t think it’s much different than usual in a 2-party system, but it is just a little bit more pronounced . Almost all of the R’s disliked O just as much as the D’s disliked W. 


Kinja'd!!! Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > nermal
07/16/2020 at 10:45

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If journalism today is a monolith of fakeness, then wouldn’t the exception be the more desirable source?

As for pro-Trump liberals, I am not personally aware of any. My extended family is very liberal while I am much more centrist than any of them.

Rs disliking O as a comparison with Ds disliking W is, I think, a problematic comparison, as there is a clear racial element with the former, as very clearly put forth by T. And any follower of T, whether for or against him, would argue that T is like no president before him.